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Post by Brenda & Shooter on May 12, 2017 23:16:08 GMT -7
Hello Everyone - Gosh, I have never been so relieved to stumble upon a web forum...just want I needed! 1. My name is Brenda and Shooter is my 13.5 year old neutered Rat Terrier (and my whole world).
2. Shooter was recently diagnosed with IVDD. Mild narrowing at C2/C3 and moderate narrowing between T11-L1 according to the radiologist; however, vet disagrees.
3. On the night of Friday, May 5th, 2017 I arrived home from work to find Shooter in a state that landed us in ER #1. Shooter was displaying a slight ataxia and did not greet as he usually does. Shooter received a five minute exam (literally) with a prognosis of a disruption in the cervical vertebrae. We were sent home with tramadol and directions to minimize activity.
I was not satisfied with the visit so I pursued another veterinary office. Unfortunately, they were not taking anymore patients, but referred me to another emergency clinic about an hour away. The second ER doctor was a little more thorough - did a physical exam, ran blood work to rule out toxicity, but ultimately came to the same conclusion. She sent us home with acepromazine and suggested crate rest for 30 days.
I was STILL not satisfied. So, on Saturday I sought yet another veterinarian. At this point I still had no idea what IVDD was - and I was not entirely convinced that it was a vertebral injury because his symptoms were manifesting themselves so inconsistently (his proprioceptive positioning was different each time). My heart was set on infectious disease. I finally found a veterinarian that was willing to listen to my plea. This veterinarian disagreed with the first two doctors, he did not feel it was an issue in the cervical - he thought it was farther down his spine. I asked for radiographs knowing we may not end up with a conclusive diagnosis, but I was desperate for answers. Shooter has had reactions to Metacam in the past and I expressed my concern; however, we were sent home with Carprofen and Methocarbamol (to add to the existing cocktail of medication) and instructions to rest for 10 days. We did discuss surgery and I struggled with the decision for a good week (I suppose I am still struggling) - the nearest surgery center is 6+ hours away.
So, long story short...strict rest starts TODAY.
4. I can tell Shooter is in pain just by his mannerisms. He has only cried out a few times over the last week and definitely has an arched back.
5. Shooter is a 10.4 lb bundle everything important to me.
6. Prescribed Medications: 500 mg Methocarbamol 1/4 BID PO; 50 mg Tramadol 1/4 BID PO; 75 mg Carprofen BID PO; 10 mg Acepromazine 1/2-1 BID PO
7. Shooter can wag his nub and has a wobbly walk. Primary deficit is in hind-end.
8. Thankfully Shooter still has control of his bladder. Unfortunately, he still hikes his legs and attempts to kick back after he has done his business - not sure how to get him to stop these traits.
9. Up until Tuesday, May 9th, Shooter was doing alright - mostly sedated, but seemingly okay as far as appetite, BM, etc. On Tuesday I noticed he was not super excited to eat. I had him on a bland diet of poached chicken, rice, cottage cheese and pumpkin. He is a pretty picky eater anyway, so I thought maybe he was just eating the chicken. Sometime Wednesday after breakfast he vomited all over his crate. Now, this was my first day back to work after this whole thing started and Shooter HATES the crate. I thought maybe he stressed himself out and that caused him to vomit. By Thursday morning he had diarrhea and was vomiting stomach fluids. I ceased all medications per veterinary staff and saw another veterinarian last night (same office as his last visit, just a different vet). This veterinarian suggested to keep him off the medication for a few days to see if we can get him back to normal and then slowly work them back in one at a time. She also gave him an injectable dose of Cerenia to help with the nausea - said it may only last 24 hours. I have been frustrated with the veterinary care in this area for quite some time, but I am even more frustrated now. I warned them about his sensitivity to medication, they did not prescribe any steroids, nor did they suggest an acid reducer. I am exhausted and emotional, but at the same time relieved that I continued to fight for my little man - if I hadn't I would not have stumbled upon this network of people. I look forward to the support Shooter and I will receive through this forum. Now off to write a tactful email to our new veterinarian about the next course of action!
I do not know how to add a picture of my lil' Shoo, but I will work on it...
[10.4 lb. Crate rest started 5/12 Caraprofen as of 5/6: 75mg 2x/day for ? days, then stop test for pain Methocarbamol 125mgs 2x/day
Tramadol 12.5mg 2x/day Acepromazine ?mg 2x/day Cerenia injection on 5/11]
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Post by Julie & Perry on May 13, 2017 5:40:36 GMT -7
When dogs are on steroids or nsaids they can develop stomach ulcers, diarrhea, vomiting ECT. Shooter needs to be taking pepcid AC or the generic with famotidine. He also needs sucralfate from the vet. Pepcid reduces stomach acid and sucralfate bandages the irritated parts of the stomach. Pepcid is taken 30 minutes before the nsaid/ steroids. Sucralfate I think is taken an hour before that and on an empty stomach. This is urgent. Contact your vet or go to emergency vet.
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Post by Marjorie on May 13, 2017 6:26:51 GMT -7
Welcome to Dodgerslist, Brenda.
While we are not vets we do have much to share with you - things we have learned from the neuros and other professionals who Dodgerslist consult with, our own personal experience with IVDD plus observing the many, many thousands of dogs who pass through this Forum and what their vets prescribe. We can help you to interpret what you observe and make sure you relay the important feedback to your vet quickly to get speedier help for your dog. You will see we point you to invaluable background info to read. The reason is that with this particular disease, knowledge IS most definitely the power to fight the IVDD enemy and win. Many vets know IVDD and some are new to it. You can play an instrumental role in working with the vet you have hired when you bring the best command of this disease to the table.
Julie is correct. You need to immediately contact your vet to get Pepcid AC and Sucralfate on board ASAP. Hopefully, Shooter will be able to get back on his much needed medication soon. The Carprofen is needed to work on the swelling that's pressing on the nerves of the spine. It’s that swelling that causes the pain and can cause nerve damage. It’s the Carprofen that’s causing the GI distress so there’s no need to stop the Tramadol, which is needed to work on Shooter’s pain. Pain hinders healing so have no patience with it.
You also have a pain emergency. Please immediately speak to the vet about adjusting the pain meds. The Tramadol dosage is very light and can be increased. Tramadol also works most efficiently when given every 8 hours (3x/day). Gabapentin can be added and works well with Tramadol. Methocarbamol works on the pain of muscle spasms that often accompany a neck injury. Neck injuries can be more painful than back injuries and often require all three meds to get the pain under control. Pain needs to be brought completely under control within one hour of giving pain meds and remain completely under control from one dose to the next.
We are not vets and do not know the specifics of each dog's health. We are making this suggestion based on what we've seen qualified vets prescribe in the past and only as a basis for discussion with your vet.
If the vets can get Shooter’s pain under control, then he would be a good candidate for conservative care. That would mean a full 8 weeks of strict 100% 24/7 crate rest, carried in and out to potty with only a very few steps allowed at potty time.
There are other steps that you’ll need to take with a cervical injury, such as softening hard kibble, raising food/water dishes. More info here: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/cervical.htm
In order to help you more, could you please answer these questions?
☐ Is the vet a general DVM or a specialist (ACVIM neurology or ACVS ortho)?
☐ Let us know you are on the same page about crate rest. The hallmark component of conservative treatment is the crate rest part. With little blood supply discs are much slower to form good scar tissue than it takes a blood rich broken bone to heal. That 6 weeks of a cast for a broken arm to heal is similar to the recovery suite being a kind of cast for the disc. 100% STRICT crate rest 24/7 for 8 weeks provides limited movement to allow good strong scar tissue to form. Super tried and true tips for setting up the recovery suite: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/CrateRRP.htm STRICT means: - no laps - no couches - no baths - no sleeping with you - no chiro therapy - no dragging or meandering at potty times. Carry to and from the recovery suite to the potty place and then allow a very few limited footsteps. Using a sling (long winter scarf, ace bandage, belt) will save your back and help to keep a wobbly dog's back aligned and butt from tipping over. A harness and 6 foot leash is to control speed and keep footsteps to minimum as you stand in one spot. An ex-pen in the grass is an excellent alternative to minimizing footsteps with the physical and visual to indicate there will be no sniff festing going on! www.dodgerslist.com/literature/slingwalk.jpg
The unknown is simply too scary a place to stay in. Are your ready to get up to speed on all things IVDD and fight the IVDD enemy? Excellent page to start with "Overview: the essentials" and then read all you can as soon as possible. Are you ready? Here's the link www.dodgerslist.com/healingindex.htm
Please let us know what the vet says after speaking to them this morning. Healing prayers for Shooter.
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Post by Brenda & Shooter on May 13, 2017 9:26:48 GMT -7
Hello All -
Marjorie, to answer your questions; the three veterinarians we have seen were all general practitioners and Shooter will be on strict rest, thanks to your forum. Unfortunately, the importance of strict rest was not made a priority, and frankly I did not understand the intensity. I set up his "recovery suite" last night, while I slept on the couch next to him - this is a big change for both of us. We also created an enclosure outside for him to go potty, he is a ranch dog and is use to roaming free, so this will take some getting use to for him - he just kind of looked up at me with a blank stare like, "what am I suppose to do here mom?!"
Julie, thank you for you insight.
I have not heard back from the veterinary office yet. You folks must have some amazing veterinarians! I am wondering why Shooter was not prescribed steroids by any of the veterinarians we saw. According to the research I have done, I have not been able to determine if Shooter was prescribed something to take its place? From what I gather he was prescribed non-steroidal anti-inflammatories - do these, in some way, take the place of something like prednisone? Shooter was removed from all medication due to his severe reaction. His face was swollen and he whole body was itchy: along with the vomiting a diarrhea he was experiencing.
[10.4 lb. Crate rest started 5/12 Caraprofen as of 5/6: 75mg 2x/day for 1 day (since crate rest), STOPPED 5/13 Methocarbamol 125mgs 2x/day STOPPED Tramadol 12.5mg 2x/day STOPPED Acepromazine ?mg 2x/day STOPPED]
The veterinarian we saw on Thursday night did not have an answer, saying that these are adverse side effects of all the medication. She advised to stop all medication until we could get him eating normally with regular bowel movements. If I did not have two other dogs I do not think Shooter would have eaten his breakfast this morning, as he was trying to bury it under his bedding until I hand fed it. Note: this is the canned dog food per the doctor (Purina Pro Plan EN) - what dog doesn't want wet food?! Shooter has also been refusing water, which is very worrying.
Any other combination of medication you have come across for dogs that are very sensitive to treatments? Why wouldn't they prescribe Shooter with Pepcid AC and/or Sucralfate from the get-go, especially since we had discussed his sensitivities prior to the last treatment plan. Are there major negative side effects?
I look forward to your responses.
I am just reviewing this think you suggested Marjorie < www.dodgerslist.com/literature/healingpage.htm> and under the swelling category it discusses two categories of drugs to help with swelling. Is this suggesting both another NSAID AND steroids?
I am confused because this card www.dodgerslist.com/literature/MedCard.pdf says NSAIDs should NOT be prescribed with steroids, but the treatment plan suggested in the link above recommends just that?
Thanks!
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Post by Marjorie on May 13, 2017 10:40:35 GMT -7
Thank you for clarifying that the reason Shooter was taken off of all meds was due not only to the diarrhea and vomiting but also due to an allergic reaction he was having to one of the meds.
When you speak to the vet, you should let them know about Shooter's refusal of water so they're also aware of that. That also is a side effect of the Carprofen. Try adding water to his food or encourage him to drink by offering a low-salt broth.
NSAIDs and steroids should never be given together. If you look further down the page you were reading, you'll see that it mentions a wash-out period. Should there ever be a medical necessity to switch from a NSAID to a steroid or from a NSAID to another NSAID, a 4-7 day washout period is necessary, although the switch can be made with the addition of Pepcid AC and Sucralfate. Any time a NSAID or a steroid is given, Pepcid AC should be given to protect your dog from the excess acid produced by the anti-inflammatory. The FDA and manufacturer pkg insert indicate gastrointestinal problems are side effects of using NSAIDs. The natural defenses of the stomach to shield against stomach acid is hindered when taking NSAIDs. Serious gastrointestinal toxicity such as bleeding, ulceration, and perforation, can occur at any time, with or without warning symptoms. We follow vets who are proactive in protecting against these side effects before they happen rather than trying to heal the damage after it happens. I would suggest that you speak to your vet and question why a stomach protector hadn't been prescribed, especially in light of Shooter's sensitivity to meds.
A steroid is a stronger anti-inflammatory than a NSAID. If a dog's symptoms are mild, a vet will sometimes go with a NSAID rather than a steroid. Both NSAIDs and steroids are anti-inflammatories.
If Shooter's allergic reaction was to the Tramadol, other pain meds available are Gabapentin and Methocarbamol. It's important to get the swelling down ASAP so it's important to get an anti-inflammatory back on board ASAP. He should be able to get back on an anti-inflammatory WITH the addition of BOTH Pepcid AC and Sucralfate, which he needs anyway to help heal the damage already done. If the vet is reluctant to put Shooter back on an anti-inflammatory right away, speak to him about Traumeel, which is a natural anti-inflammatory, though if Shooter can tolerate them, a NSAID or steroid is more powerful.
I do hope you hear back from the vet soon. If not, keep calling as you have serious issues that need to be addressed.
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Post by Carolyn & Buckeye on May 15, 2017 7:39:06 GMT -7
Hi Brenda, I hope Shooter is doing better!
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Post by Brenda & Shooter on May 16, 2017 13:48:45 GMT -7
Hi Carolyn! Thanks for the message, I hope Buckeye's progress keeps heading toward complete recovery!
With Shooter having such adverse reactions to his medication, his veterinarian suggested we cease treatment, allow his GI tract to recover and then reintroduce a new treatment plan. I asked if they would consider the treatments recommended by this forum - so we are trying to work together. They have prescribed Prednisone (5 mg tablets: 1/2 BID PO for seven days), Sucralfate (1 gram tablets: 1/4 TID dissolved in water 1 hour before meal) and they also okayed Pepcid AC 1/4 20 mg tablet SID and hour before mealtime. The veterinarian does not think very highly of Prednisone this late in the game, she says trials indicate that it is much more effective early on in the prognosis, but she did not offer me any alternatives either.
[10.4 lb. Crate rest started 5/12 Caraprofen as of 5/6: 75mg 2x/day for 1 day (since crate rest), STOPPED 5/13 Prednisone as of 5/16: 2.5mgs 2x/day for 7 days Sucralfate 250mg 3x/day Pepcid AC 5mgs 1x/day Tramadol 12.5mg 2x/day STOPPED Acepromazine ?mg 2x/day ]
I have to figure out how to get him to take the sucralfate, as I do not have the means to administer it yet. Also, they have prescribed it for three times a day, he only gets fed twice a day so I am still trying to work that into our schedule.
I am in a wedding this weekend that we have to travel for. I am mortified. Shooter already HATES the long car rides and the crate. I asked the veterinarian if it would be alright to give him some Acepromazine to keep him settled, they agreed. It is going to be a busy weekend with lots of commotion and I am just not looking forward to it. I do not have anyone I trust to leave Shooter with, especially in his condition, I wish I had that option.
Otherwise, he seems to be doing okay. He is in his recovery suite and does a lot of sleeping. He has started to try to jump up when I go to put his harness on - I am obviously trying to stop that habit, but he must be feeling a little better. We still have a long way to go. He is not drinking much water which is also troublesome for me, maybe the Pred. will increase his water intake.
The veterinarian still wants to hold off on the pain medication, which hurts my heart. Seven days of Prednisone before we discuss the next step. I know it says to give the Sucralfate and Pepcid AC on an empty stomach, but has anyone had any success administering it with a dab of wet dog food? A friend of mine is loaning me her pill popper, I am just hesitant as I do not want to agitate Shooter's neck. I would love to hear what you all have had success with, and if you have ever used wet food/pill pockets for Sucralfate/Pepcid AC.
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Post by Romy & Frankie on May 16, 2017 14:42:55 GMT -7
With the Sucralfate and the Pepcid on board, hopefully he will avoid any stomach damage. The pred should make him want to drink more and therefore pee more so he will need to be taken out more often. Have you tried giving him broth to drink?
Is Shooter showing any signs of pain now? The pred does not really work as a pain reliever as it takes some days for it to work on the swelling of the spinal cord. If Shooter is in pain he should be on pain meds. Did your vet say why he wants to withhold pain meds from a dog in pain. If Shooter's allergic reaction was to Tramadol, other pain meds can be prescribed particularly Gabapentin and Methocarbamol.
It can be hard to give liquid medicine to some dogs. Try squeezing lightly on the back of his jaw on both sides. This should cause his mouth to open slightly. If you put the syringe as far back as you can you should not have to tilt his head too much. There are some videos showing examples of how to do this. One is:
There is timing involved in taking Sucralfate and Pepcid. They both should not be taken at the same time. One example of timing that may work for you is below: --Give Sucralfate on an empty tummy 1 hour before Pepcid AC. --Give Pepcid AC 30 mins before Prednisone --Give Prednisone with a meal.
I have had success with pill pockets for pills, but as Sucralfate must be taken on an empty stomach and also is dissolved in water I don't pill pockets can be used for this.
Let us know how Shooter is doing with the pred.
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Post by PaulaM on May 18, 2017 7:38:57 GMT -7
Brenda, hope to hear you are not seeing any signs of pain. Let us know. Prednisone is an anti-inflammatory as is a NSAID. It is never too late in the game to work on bringing down painful swelling. Swelling is what damages nerve cells! PAIN- if you are seeing any hint of pain, I would VERY strongly advocate for bringing one pain med at a time back on. One med at a time will help to find out which of them may have been the cause of the facial swelling. The Mar Vista veterinary website explains all the options for giving sucralfate, so do read it for yourself: marvistavet.com/sucralfate.pml Sucralfate depends on an empty stomach to form the protective gel coat wherever any damage to the stomach lining starts to develop. --- Give sucralfate on an empty stomach. You can give it 1 hour before or 2 hours after feeding a meal. --- Pepcid AC should be given 2x/day because that is how long it lasts in the body. Try to give Pepcid AC 30 mins or more AFTER you have given sucralfate --- Prednisone will have an extra layer of protection if you can give it with a meal. So here is just one schedule example that follows the rules to start the morning. 7:00am Eat, Prednisone + any pain meds 9:00am Sucralfate (2 hrs later) 9:30 am Pepcid AC (30 mins later) NOTE: ---while Pepcid AC 30 mins before pred is the better idea, as long as you are giving it every 12 hours it should be quite sufficient to suppress acids round the clock. ---While a slurry of sucralfate may be optimal, it can also be given in pill form if necessary. With all these meds, and differing times of the day, developing a med chart helps to keep everything in order. This is especially so when your own routine is being changed with travel, etc. D/l and print from here: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/crateRRP/medchart.pdf
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Post by Brenda & Shooter on Jun 5, 2017 18:35:18 GMT -7
Hello All -
I just wanted to check-in and seek some advice. Shooter seems to take two steps forward and three back...he is still on strict crate rest at this point. Medications: ✚Methocarbamol 500mg: 1/4 tablet BID Prednisone 5mg: 1/2 tablet 1x/every other day (tonight - 6/5/17 - is his last dose before we speak with the veterinarian for the next course of action) Pepcid AC 20mg: 1/4 tablet 1x/day
[10.4 lb. Crate rest started 5/12 Caraprofen as of 5/6: 75mg 2x/day for 1 day (since crate rest), STOPPED 5/13 Prednisone as of 5/16: 2.5mgs 2x/day for 7 days the taper ✚Methocarbamol 125mgs 2x/day Sucralfate 250mg 3x/day STOPPED Pepcid AC 5mgs 1x/day Tramadol 12.5mg 2x/day STOPPED Acepromazine ?mg 2x/day]
Shooter has all of a sudden started coughing a lot. He has been VERY resistant to the pill popper which we use to administer the Pepcid. In palpating his neck, he instantly starts coughing. Have you seen/heard of this? I am wondering if it is due to the Pepcid? Should I stop the Pepcid? I feel like it has been our saving grace thus far...
On another note, I have noticed Shooter's hind legs are trembling when he stands, as if they are fatigued. There is some muscle atrophy in his hindquarters. I am concerned. I am hoping the trembling is out of fatigue, rather than pain. He was such an active dog before this incident, he ran miles and miles on a regular basis. He doesn't seem painful, he is in a very good mood, but I cannot help but fear that he is in pain and that he is regressing.
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Post by Pauliana on Jun 5, 2017 22:02:26 GMT -7
Hi Brenda,
The trembling legs could be from weakness. The muscle strength will come back after crate rest when he gradually eases back into life..
When uncertain if Shooter is in pain..check for these pain signals. Shivering, trembling, yelping when picked up or moved, reluctant to move much in crate such as shift positions or slow to move, tight tense tummy, restless, can't find a comfortable position. Ears pinned back, arched back. Holding front or back leg flamingo style not wanting to bear weight, head held high or nose to the ground. Not their normal perky selves.
I would let the Vet know about the coughing. Could be the pill popper if perhaps the pill went down the wrong way?? I have never had coughing with Tyler in regards to Pepcid and he has been on it during disc episodes in the past when a NSAID was in use..
Shooter should stay on Pepcid AC until a few days after the last Prednisone.. I use deli meat (lunch meat)such as turkey to wrap the pill in.. It slides right down.. I use the 3 treat trick with all of his meds.. One piece with no pill given first and the pill wrapped treat in view which he always gulps down..and then I follow with another piece of turkey..This has never failed with Tyler and he never gets upset with this method..
Hope this helps!
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Post by Brenda & Shooter on Jun 6, 2017 21:16:26 GMT -7
Hi Pauliana -
Thanks for the reminders - Shooter isn't displaying any of the traditional pain signals. The only thing he does that is questionable is he flinches a tad when you go to pet him. This is the only abnormal behavior.
I spoke with one of the technicians (not my preference) today about the next treatment plan for Shooter. She said she would call back if the coughing was something the veterinarian found to be alarming.
Shooter's treatment is now: Pepcid AC 20mg: 1/4 Tablet 1X/day Prednisone 5mg: 1/4 Tablet every other day (for 7 days) Methocarbamol 500mg: 1/4 tablet ▼1X/day
[10.4 lb. Crate rest started 5/12 Caraprofen as of 5/6: 75mg 2x/day for 1 day Prednisone as of 5/16: 2.5mgs 2x/day for 7 days the taper Methocarbamol 125mgs ▼1x/day Pepcid AC 5mgs 1x/day Acepromazine ?mg 2x/day]
I am a little bummed about backing him off the meds. I think Shooter is feeling a lot better, but his neurological symptoms are still there...
We will be seeing the doctor on July 6th for a follow-up.
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Post by Pauliana on Jun 6, 2017 21:37:07 GMT -7
Hi Brenda, The Neurological symptoms aren't helped by the medications. Nerves self heal with time. Medications such as Prednisone work on inflammation..Tramadol helped with pain and Methocarbamol was for muscle spasms. The taper is a test for pain to see if the inflammation is gone.. If no pain shows up during the taper that means the swelling is gone and no further medications would be necessary other than the Ace for crate anxiety if that is still a problem.. For more info on nerve regeneration please read this: dodgerslist.com/literature/healingnerves.htm
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Post by Carolyn & Buckeye on Jul 12, 2017 10:36:12 GMT -7
Hi Brenda, I remember Shooter had gotten started with his treatment around the same time as Buckeye, and I wanted to check and see how he is doing. I hope his recovery is going well!
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Post by Brenda & Shooter on Aug 28, 2017 19:33:03 GMT -7
Hello All! I am happy to report that three and a half months later Shooter is doing SO much better. Shooter is completely done with his medical protocol. We are still working on getting Shooter to use the ramps that we have about the house, but I think with time he will get it. Shooter certainly shows signs of muscle fatigue and slight neurological deficits in his hindquarters, but I will take it! I am still as cautious as ever, but so thankful that his personality is back! I want to sincerely thank the Dodgerlist Forum - I genuinely could not have done this without the support and knowledge provided here. Shooter and I THANK YOU!
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Post by Pauliana on Aug 28, 2017 21:58:42 GMT -7
Happy Belated crate rest graduation, Brenda! Not sure if you checked out this article on how to handle easing Shooter back into physical activity after crate rest. Lots of great info here! dodgerslist.com/literature/AfterCrateRest.htmNerves can take a long time to heal, hang in there and one day Shooter will surprise you! Such a sweet picture of you and Shooter! Thank you for the compliment. They are always appreciated. Here are some ideas to help others wih IVDD dogs if you'd like. Education about disc disease is our number one mission! We wish we did not have to hear of another dog that was put to sleep because of disc disease nor one denied the correct principles of crate rest to help them heal. --- You've been there, and are doing it....if you see another member on the Forum needing support or information share what you know to be true or point them to one of our many IVDD articles. The "search box" on each page makes quick work to find the right helpful link: www.dodgerslist.com/-- "Share" our FB/twitter/ posts to widen the reach of IVDD knowledge www.facebook.com/Dodgerslist twitter.com/DodgersList -- Hand carry our literature and introduce us to your vet. When in conversation at the grocery store line or wherever you meet breeds most prone to IVDD (Dachshunds, Beagles, Poodles, Spaniels, Shih Tzus, Pekingese, and Chihuahuas) to give out our little cards. Ask Linda to send you our free packet: www.dodgerslist.com/literature/litorder.ht-- We have a store where you might find something you absolutely need! Our earnings go to paying for our webpage and literature to hand out. www.dodgerslist.com/store.htm-- Don't forget to add a photo to the gallery and 1-2 sentences. Give inspiration to others just starting a scary IVDD journey. Directions to u/l here: dodgerslist.boards.net/thread/2262/put-dodgerslist-photo-gallery-calendar Wishing you many happy years with Shooter!
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Post by Carolyn & Buckeye on Aug 30, 2017 16:13:33 GMT -7
I'm so happy to see this post! Congratulations to you both on Shooter's amazing recovery!!! ❤️😊
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